tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post6387716296232276981..comments2024-01-22T05:26:58.609-05:00Comments on Bea's Book Nook: Bookish Things I'm Wondering AboutBeahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-87086657065338840222016-07-09T13:20:24.390-04:002016-07-09T13:20:24.390-04:00I have never used the table of contents for a nove...I have never used the table of contents for a novel, unless it was something I read for a class (meaning classics, etc) so I think it doesn't matter either way. Not having to flip through the pages of the table of contents at the beginning might be what they mean. And I think the texture of hardcover books would make it hard for them to print most designs directly onto it, I would assume. NotJessica @ Strung Out On Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08591900465913672518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-22988487231885786852016-07-03T13:02:22.606-04:002016-07-03T13:02:22.606-04:00LOL Glad I gave you a new perspective. And yes on ...LOL Glad I gave you a new perspective. And yes on the ToC! Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-66364658738743025592016-07-03T01:24:43.950-04:002016-07-03T01:24:43.950-04:00Huh, I go back and forth on dust jackets. I mean I...Huh, I go back and forth on dust jackets. I mean I like them sometimes, but on the few books where a design or art has been directly on the hardcover I've liked that a lot, and would like to see it more. But to be honest I hadn't thought much about it until you mentioned it. :) And now I'll be thinking about if the next time I look at a hardcover lol. <br /><br />I guess on a ToC Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17515345156687765162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-65932829814704143852016-06-29T19:57:39.848-04:002016-06-29T19:57:39.848-04:00LOL I hear you on buying the paperbacks. Hiding we...LOL I hear you on buying the paperbacks. Hiding wear and tear does seem to be one reason for having dust jackets. <br /><br />Indexes and ToCcs are two different things. Indexes are page listings of topics, people, etc. and are typically found in reference works. But yes, indexes are typically at the back.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-23985736000168418732016-06-29T19:55:23.459-04:002016-06-29T19:55:23.459-04:00"Maybe it's just that it's so normal ..."Maybe it's just that it's so normal now that no one ever thinks about it." - good point, I'm sure that's true. Lark and a few others earlier in the comments gave a little history on dust jackets, it's interesting.<br /><br />No one seems to find having the Toc at the back to be aesthetically pleasing except for that author who commented on Facebook. It's Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-85616021847749467342016-06-29T19:43:10.716-04:002016-06-29T19:43:10.716-04:00Thanks Kimberly! Yeah, the ToC at the back just do...Thanks Kimberly! Yeah, the ToC at the back just doesn't make sense. Dust jackets do get banged up pretty easily but they do have the artwork. It's a nuisance that you have to take care of them, that they're so fragile.<br /><br />Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-52327129911965236962016-06-29T19:34:30.910-04:002016-06-29T19:34:30.910-04:00Yeah, most of us seem to be of a similar mind on d...Yeah, most of us seem to be of a similar mind on dust jackets and ToC.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-22290141791226541192016-06-29T19:32:19.100-04:002016-06-29T19:32:19.100-04:00Dust jackets do have uses but I for one could do w...Dust jackets do have uses but I for one could do without them. That said, I keep the dust jackets because I like the pretty covers. :D Like you, I tend to take them off when I read.<br /><br />I'm with you on the ToCs!Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-83506134233896379342016-06-27T14:25:33.214-04:002016-06-27T14:25:33.214-04:00I love dust jackets because I can take them off wh...I love dust jackets because I can take them off while reading the book and then put them on again to hide the wear and tear. OF course, I mostly purchase paperbacks because broke.<br /><br />I didn't even know having a TOC in the back was an option. Isn't that more like an index, then. :shrug:Kenya (Reviews May Vary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16707466032441880271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-49886512667584637932016-06-26T17:29:37.397-04:002016-06-26T17:29:37.397-04:00huh I don't get it either, what's aestheti...huh I don't get it either, what's aesthetically pleasing about having the table of contents at the back of the book. Also I don't think I have ever seen a book that did that. I don't personally use the table of contents, except maybe to see how many chapters a book has, but putting it at the front of the book seems more handy for those that do use it.<br /><br />Good question Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284689418552571180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-16834946239490661482016-06-26T12:07:05.775-04:002016-06-26T12:07:05.775-04:00Oh Bea...I love these topics and your thoughts on ...Oh Bea...I love these topics and your thoughts on them. I personally see no reason for the table of contents in the back of the book. I have read books where they are both in the front and in the back. OCD Editor maybe..balance and all that...but I will always look for it in the front! Dust Jackets -GAh! I worry if they get buggered, and take them off to read. It might be nice to see the cover onKimberly @ Caffeinated Reviewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15658833731713991138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-59874635127174420462016-06-26T11:39:57.169-04:002016-06-26T11:39:57.169-04:00I agree completely about the Table of Contents...i...I agree completely about the Table of Contents...it should be in the front. Regarding dust jackets...eh...I think it's neater and cleaner without them and would love it if they were printed on the hardcovers but I don't see how they could ever do that. All the images etc would have to be really simplified. I keep my dust jackets but it is a huge hassle as they always get nicked and tornMelissas Eclectic Bookshelfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954443867000135343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-42479179890888591542016-06-25T22:06:58.594-04:002016-06-25T22:06:58.594-04:00I'm pretty sure that dust jackets owe their or...I'm pretty sure that dust jackets owe their origins to the difficulty and expense of putting pretty pictures onto leather or cloth before binding the book. With a dust jacket, publishers could bind the book more cheaply and more quickly (and also use cloth instead of leather) and still have something pleasing to the eye. Plus, a dust jacket serves to protect the cloth binding from fading in Lark @ The Bookwyrm's Hoardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08639732368395025578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-65445655755893604162016-06-23T09:36:01.117-04:002016-06-23T09:36:01.117-04:00Hi Old Folkie, nice to see you again!
I have to ...Hi Old Folkie, nice to see you again! <br /><br />I have to disagree with the idea that a ToC is superfluous but I think I've established that a traditionalist when it comes to ToCs. :D I can see the validity, I just don't agree. Plus, for me, the key phrase there is 'if the eBook is set up correct'. My experience shows that it frequently isn't. <br /><br />Until you abd Rita Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-46162262040180493952016-06-23T09:28:27.678-04:002016-06-23T09:28:27.678-04:00Rita, you're probably right about fiction not ...Rita, you're probably right about fiction not really needing a ToC but I do like even my fiction to have it. I like knowing how many chapters there are, how long they are, and is the book broken up into different parts. All that information helps me plan my reading and gives me an idea of the book before I even start. But, those are the benefits for me. Other readers will have different needsBeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-31976784844017738392016-06-23T09:22:57.463-04:002016-06-23T09:22:57.463-04:00Pretty much how I feel Supie. :)Pretty much how I feel Supie. :)Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-11267540809111699822016-06-23T09:21:57.366-04:002016-06-23T09:21:57.366-04:00Yeah, I don't think a ToC can be all that aest...Yeah, I don't think a ToC can be all that aesthetically pleasing unless you really fancy it up and honestly, why bother? It's practical, at least for some readers. That's a good point about dust jackets; they do provide some protection. Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-29992216464696288942016-06-23T02:10:19.424-04:002016-06-23T02:10:19.424-04:00ToC at the end, well I did read the argument that ...ToC at the end, well I did read the argument that because you can with each eReader, if the eBook is set up correct, access an ToC via the options menue, it is essentially superfluous.<br /><br />Dust jackets got invented, to protect books (when there still where only hardbound books) until they are sold, then they got most often thrown away by the owner, why original dust jackets for the Old Folkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13974128781041813293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-21667594942042334152016-06-22T21:26:54.148-04:002016-06-22T21:26:54.148-04:00I would imagine that table of contents is necessar...I would imagine that table of contents is necessary mostly for non-fiction, right? I don't need it for fiction, but maybe it's important for some folks. I grew up with ToC in the front of the book and that's where you can effectively use it and plan your reading. In the back doesn't help the reader. I once read a fantasy book, where the author gave a detailed chart of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-43080688177581108902016-06-21T17:43:11.955-04:002016-06-21T17:43:11.955-04:00I'll go with tradition and do the ToC at the b...I'll go with tradition and do the ToC at the beginning of the books. <br /><br />Dust covers are pretty but it's not practical and it is an extra expense. I take those out when I read Coz I don't want to tear it plus it can be a nuisance Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921678042033544000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-77310583586866608292016-06-21T16:43:19.147-04:002016-06-21T16:43:19.147-04:00I definitely don't find it aesthetically pleas...I definitely don't find it aesthetically pleasing to have it in the back. I've always thought it was a little strange when I've come across that. Also can a table of contents be all that aesthetically pleasing in the first place? I mean it's practical and often useful (though more in print books than ebooks) but I've never thought it added that much balance or Katherine Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126062556416434416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-32580370865522617702016-06-21T11:31:22.009-04:002016-06-21T11:31:22.009-04:00Well, so far no one seems to find placing the tabl...Well, so far no one seems to find placing the table of contents at the back to be aesthetically pleasing. Interesting. A few commenters have offered explanations as to why it gets placed there and those actually have some sense to them. I still prefer it at the front. As you said, at the back is just not practical. Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-26549381964058243762016-06-21T11:17:06.020-04:002016-06-21T11:17:06.020-04:00The table of contents at the back ( & books wi...The table of contents at the back ( & books with a glossary at the back) drive me nuts, especially in e-books. I don't know it's even back there until I'm done.<br /><br />I just want to start the book - not have to go to the menu and go back and forth first. <br /><br />I never thought of it aesthetically but who cares if it's not practical. <br /><br /><a href="http://Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13958940283330319507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-59916919842982480602016-06-21T11:03:10.422-04:002016-06-21T11:03:10.422-04:00I'm so glad to know I'm not alone in my th...I'm so glad to know I'm not alone in my thoughts on the table of contents!! *passes out chocolate to all the commenters*<br /><br />As for dust jackets and why hard covers have them, that seems to be the consensus.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3394910946143126860.post-68376206846745807492016-06-21T10:56:52.749-04:002016-06-21T10:56:52.749-04:00I do use the table of contents sometimes, but not ...I do use the table of contents sometimes, but not always. I'd use it more in ebooks if it was sensible placed. :P<br /><br />As for dust jackets, that's my guess too. Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455117466213636141noreply@blogger.com